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puzzling display for battery

Post by Heimhenge » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:17 pm

Just got my OpticsRE up and running last week. I've pretty much been everywhere in the UI at this point, and most is well-designed and easy to understand. One real puzzler though ... the battery SOC bar chart just doesn't make sense to me. If the SOC is really doing what it shows, then something is definitely wrong with the system configuration.

I think what it might be is that those bars are related to something the two shunts are doing, but I don't know what the bars mean. Is it the kWh?
And what's the significance of the green and red colors? Is that related to the SOC shown on the right vertical axis?
It's those two vertical axes that have me confused. And the knowledge base was no help. No luck searching this forum either.

I would appreciate any help translating this confusing display, thanks!
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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:09 pm

I find Amp Hours easier to relate than kWH when it comes to battery charge. There is a selector in the upper left of the graph page.

The bars are showing charging - green for solar, red for grid. They are both set to keep the battery topped up in Float apparently.

If the scale is closely examined, I bet the absolute numbers are small. Yep - 0.06kWH peak? My BIC lighter ignition flint produces more watts than that.

Seriously, that probably represents 2 - 3A charging current, the floor for most batteries of the capacity used for home power systems.

The grid draw likely could be eliminated by setting its charging voltages 0.4V below the PV charging voltages. That gives the charger controller priority, and the grid charging stops because the charger will have nothing to do until the sun goes down.

Also, as the chart is examined closely, the PV charging at 1AM is very easily explained. You obviously live on the UFO glide path to Area 51.
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Outback Radian GS4048A-01 inverter
Outback FM100 charge controller
Outback FLEXnet DC monitor
Outback MATE3s system controller
Outback Hub
Trace DC breaker and shunt box
Lifeline GPL-8DL x4 = 12.2 kWh @ 48 volts
Running OpticsRE since March 2020
Location: 30 miles north of Phoenix @ elevation 2200 ft

Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by Heimhenge » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:34 pm

OK, that would make sense. Any idea why they even show the SOC on the right vertical axis? I don't see any SOC data in the bar chart. That's what really puzzled me (and still does).

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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:21 pm

Heimhenge wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:34 pm
OK, that would make sense. Any idea why they even show the SOC on the right vertical axis? I don't see any SOC data in the bar chart. That's what really puzzled me (and still does).
SOC is that line across the top. Its sitting at 100%.

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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:14 pm

Screenshot_20200329-121106_Chrome.jpg
Here's my current dashboard. I'm off grid with two charge controllers.

The battery SoC curve is more representative of daily cycling, reaching a minimum in the hour that solar charging starts.

Charge current in AH rather than kWH. My preference.

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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:18 pm

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Battery summary screen showing charge / discharge by hour, and SoC.
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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:23 pm

Screenshot_20200329-121912_Chrome.jpg
Charger detail
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Battery detail
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A bar on the graph

Most of the summary icons have tool tips attached. Long press or click brings them up.

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Outback Radian GS4048A-01 inverter
Outback FM100 charge controller
Outback FLEXnet DC monitor
Outback MATE3s system controller
Outback Hub
Trace DC breaker and shunt box
Lifeline GPL-8DL x4 = 12.2 kWh @ 48 volts
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Location: 30 miles north of Phoenix @ elevation 2200 ft

Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by Heimhenge » Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:24 pm

Well that explains everything, thanks. I suppose if I had stared at it long enough that would've dawned on me. Nowhere in any documentation I could find does it say that the bars in the chart are not SOC, and the running line above is the tracked SOC. I see now that if I hover the cursor over a point on that line it pops up a tool-tip stating the SOC value. Good trick to remember if I ever see anything else in OpticsRE that needs ID.

As I've said in many other threads, thanks for the insights raysun!

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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:08 pm

Heimhenge wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:24 pm
Well that explains everything, thanks. I suppose if I had stared at it long enough that would've dawned on me. Nowhere in any documentation I could find does it say that the bars in the chart are not SOC, and the running line above is the tracked SOC. I see now that if I hover the cursor over a point on that line it pops up a tool-tip stating the SOC value. Good trick to remember if I ever see anything else in OpticsRE that needs ID.

As I've said in many other threads, thanks for the insights raysun!
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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by David LeBow » Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:56 am

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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:50 am

David LeBow wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:56 am
<Adds Raysun to the OpticsRE support team...>
Cool! Do I get the T shirt and secret decoder ring?

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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by BoMagluyan » Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:26 am

raysun wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:50 am
David LeBow wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:56 am
<Adds Raysun to the OpticsRE support team...>
Cool! Do I get the T shirt and secret decoder ring?
We appreciate you Raysun.

I *think* I can get a T shirt and a hat for you. Plus, I know we use UserVoice to receive Optics related issues and feature requests. I have a few spare UserVoice stickers from when I met with them at a conference.
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Suniva 330 watt panels (12 - 6 strings of 2 in series)
Hyundai 355 watt panels (6 - 3 strings of 2 in series)
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by raysun » Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:00 am

BoMagluyan wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:26 am
raysun wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:50 am
David LeBow wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:56 am
<Adds Raysun to the OpticsRE support team...>
Cool! Do I get the T shirt and secret decoder ring?
We appreciate you Raysun.

I *think* I can get a T shirt and a hat for you. Plus, I know we use UserVoice to receive Optics related issues and feature requests. I have a few spare UserVoice stickers from when I met with them at a conference.
Cool. Cool. All my T shirts are full of holes, and *both* dogs eat my hats. The last one to go was my beloved Hama Hama oyster farm chapeau.

These days I'm something of a tech trend Troglodyte, so confess I don't know what UserVoice is, but I like stickers. Gives me cred with the local kids, when I'm not yelling: "Get off my lawn!"

Wait, I don't have a lawn, but I do have these stickers that I found in a 47 year old LP in my collection.
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Re: puzzling display for battery

Post by Gabriel23 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:40 am

BoMagluyan wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:26 am
raysun wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:50 am
David LeBow wrote:
Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:56 am
<Adds Raysun to the OpticsRE support team...>
Cool! Do I get the T shirt and secret decoder ring?
We appreciate you Raysun.

I *think* I can get a T shirt and a hat for you. Plus, I know we use UserVoice to receive Optics related issues and feature requests. I have a few spare UserVoice stickers from when I met with them at a conference.
I got my winter coat, beanie, regular hat, windbreaker, 2 crew neck T's, and 3 polos all for free

And we don't have to return them since they give out new stuff. I guess not all dominos are created equal

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