WIfi Adapters

Mate3 and Mate3s communications devices for Outback Power
Post Reply
soulpatch
Forum Member
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:06 pm
My RE system: 8 65 watt panels, 8 US215 6v, MX 60 charger, FX3048 inverter and one as yet uninstalled Midnight E Panel due to my ignorance......as of this point.

WIfi Adapters

Post by soulpatch » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:36 am

I have had a client contact me to get their system set up with online monitoring and address an issue with her generator never running and her batteries reaching a low SOC after a few cloudy days.

I have not worked with this equipment before so I want to make sure I do this properly.

I set the generator up to auto-run and it works fine now so that is a done deal.

She also had to replace her NC200 battery bank after it started failing at 8 months but by the time she worked through her warranty nightmare with the installer it was 14 months before the warranty claim got filed and Outback told her 1 year was the limit in Mexico.
That is another customer support issue, though.

I have set up plenty of wireless monitoring programs for Enphase, ABB, Fronius, Tigo and Smappee along with a few really odd, off-brand models I have been exposed to here in Mexico and they are all pretty straightforward.
Whenever I had a tech support issue it was pretty easily resolved.

The system has a Mate3 and was installed mid-2015.

I contacted tech support to see if they had a list of wifi adapters they recommend.

This was their response:
"All our Mate controllers needs to have a direct a Cat cable run directly from the Mate to the modem.
You could try getting adapters compatible with the modem and check, it would be a trial and error method on what you need."

I replied with a screenshot of page 21 of the manual which shows a wifi adapter and I CC'd sales since maybe they know the product better than tech support does.
I am hopefully going to get a response.

Maybe someone here has a recommendation.

I am in Mexico so some of the adapters available in the USA are not so easily attained here.
All the wifi adapters I am seeing are USB type plug in vs. ethernet.

Maybe I will just have to buy an ethernet switch with a USB port.

Thanks for any help.

provo
Forum Czar
Posts: 525
Joined: Thu Jul 27, 2006 4:34 pm
My RE system: Sixteen Evergreen EC-120
(4 strings, total 1920W)
Eight Rolls S-550 (2 strings, total ~800Ah @ 24V)
One FM80
One VFXR3524A
Hub 10
Mate3s
FNDC and Trimetric
Location: Sierra foothills

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by provo » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:45 am

soulpatch wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:36 am

I am in Mexico so some of the adapters available in the USA are not so easily attained here.
All the wifi adapters I am seeing are USB type plug in vs. ethernet.
I used an ethernet-to-wifi adapter from IOGear (GWU637). Getting it to communicate with my modem/router took some fiddling, but it eventually worked, and has been problem-free for 9 months. Get a good Cat5 or Cat6 ethernet cable to connect Mate to adapter -- don't use a cable from Outback!

I have a Mate3s. Does your client have the Mate3s or the older Mate3? There may be no difference for your purposes -- others here may know.

User avatar
EA6LE-ONE
Forum Guru
Posts: 273
Joined: Tue May 05, 2020 7:51 am
My RE system: System 1:
MATE3s, 3 x Radian GS8048A,
4 x FLEXmax 100, HUB10,
2 x EnergyCell 48V 2700RE,
1 x FLEXnet DC, 4 x FLEXware ICS Plus,
54 x PANASONIC VBHN325SA17 325W

System 2:
MATE3s, 2 x VFX3648,
2 x FLEXmax 100, HUB10
1 x EnergyCell 48V 2700RE,
1 x FLEXnet DC, 2 x FLEXware ICS
21 x PANASONIC VBHN325SA17 325W
Location: Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Isl.

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by EA6LE-ONE » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 am

the simplest solution to connect any network connection to wireless will be to get a range extender that has a network connection. set it as is suppose to work with your wireless network and connect the mate to the network port on the range extender.

fcwlp
Forum Czar
Posts: 527
Joined: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:40 am
My RE system: GS8048A, FM80 w/3,600 W PV Fixed, FM80 w/2,700W on Zomeworks tracker, Mate3, 24 Trojan 2V L16 1100AH @ C20, Grid-Tied with Kohler 14RESA LPG Generator and MEP-803 Diesel if needed
I also install and maintain grid-tied and off-grid systems, details will be given for these system if required
Location: 80 miles NE of Phoenix at 5500'

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by fcwlp » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:17 am

I have had good luck with TP-Link range extenders. I also use Ubiquiti AirMax & Unifi hardware in some applications but that is likely overkill for your needs.

soulpatch
Forum Member
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:06 pm
My RE system: 8 65 watt panels, 8 US215 6v, MX 60 charger, FX3048 inverter and one as yet uninstalled Midnight E Panel due to my ignorance......as of this point.

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by soulpatch » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 am

Thanks for your replies, you are all very helpful.

I have talked to an IT guy here and he said any wifi adapter here should work as the distance to the modem is only about 7 meters.

I just have to buy the adapter from CAT5 to USB.

I make my own cables so cabling is easy.

I will have to check to see if it is an S or not model but that shouldn't make a difference..... famous last words!

I just heard back from Outback.

I find their responses so strange!

Here it is.

"Sorry about the confusion. I assumed that you wanted to get a wifi adapters to communicate with Mate 3 through wireless.

To clarify, what I meant is that the Mate 3 needs to have a wired connection to your modem, router, wifi without adapter or wifi adapter which communicates to your wireless router. We do not have the list of adapters, you could use any wifi adapter which can communicate to your router.

Thanks,"

Anyway, I appreciate your help.

Muchas gracias y saludos!

User avatar
EA6LE-ONE
Forum Guru
Posts: 273
Joined: Tue May 05, 2020 7:51 am
My RE system: System 1:
MATE3s, 3 x Radian GS8048A,
4 x FLEXmax 100, HUB10,
2 x EnergyCell 48V 2700RE,
1 x FLEXnet DC, 4 x FLEXware ICS Plus,
54 x PANASONIC VBHN325SA17 325W

System 2:
MATE3s, 2 x VFX3648,
2 x FLEXmax 100, HUB10
1 x EnergyCell 48V 2700RE,
1 x FLEXnet DC, 2 x FLEXware ICS
21 x PANASONIC VBHN325SA17 325W
Location: Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Isl.

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by EA6LE-ONE » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:51 am

don't waste your time with USB to Ethernet adapters, just get a range extender around $30 and you just need an Ethernet cable from mate to the range extender, might come with it in the box. the length can be as short as 1 foot.

raysun
Forum Emperor
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:57 am
My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
Suniva 330 watt panels (12 - 6 strings of 2 in series)
Hyundai 355 watt panels (6 - 3 strings of 2 in series)
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by raysun » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:57 am

If the system was installed in 2015, then the Mate is most likely the "3" model, the "3S" came out more recently.

While the 3S is better, neither has the most robust Ethernet processor I've ever worked with. Network disconnects often require power-cycling the Mate. I believe this is one reason tech support is reticent to recommend more than a wire between the Mate and the router.

I use a small switch and a Ubquiti wireless link between my power house and the main house router. Its nearly bulletproof, but as @fcwlp commented, overkill for the purpose.

A WiFi "range extender" with ethernet switch and wireless link to the main router will be the most problem-free from the start. Next to a 7m Cat 5 cable, that is.

soulpatch
Forum Member
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:06 pm
My RE system: 8 65 watt panels, 8 US215 6v, MX 60 charger, FX3048 inverter and one as yet uninstalled Midnight E Panel due to my ignorance......as of this point.

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by soulpatch » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:29 am

Thank you.

I am in the most robust mode.

The client has the money and wants the best solution... yeah, the 7m cable would be awesome, however, the aesthetics of it all dictate that not being an option, especially in an all concrete and glass house.

raysun
Forum Emperor
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:57 am
My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
Suniva 330 watt panels (12 - 6 strings of 2 in series)
Hyundai 355 watt panels (6 - 3 strings of 2 in series)
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by raysun » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:33 am

soulpatch wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:29 am
Thank you.

I am in the most robust mode.

The client has the money and wants the best solution... yeah, the 7m cable would be awesome, however, the aesthetics of it all dictate that not being an option, especially in an all concrete and glass house.
I figured. No aesthetic concern here, other than the spouse disapproving of overhead wires, and trenching in our volcanic "blue rock" requires the deployment of small thermonuclear devices. The neighbors get nervous.

A wifi "range extender" with built-in switch is cheap enough, and solves the problem neatly.

sodamo
Forum Czar
Posts: 838
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:55 am
My RE system: Totally off grid - Hamakua side, Big Island, Hi

36 Trina 280 & 16 Phono 250 in 48 volt array (fixed) 14080w
Radians GG8048/GS4048 w GSLCs
4 FM 80 charge controllers
Hub 10.3
FNDC w/3 shunts
Mate 3s
OpticsRE - MMKL - Ninole Hi
12 SimpliPhi 3.8
14Kw Kohler 14RESA Propane

Charging Only
2FX3048T
Hub
FNDC. - shared shunt feeds from Radian FNDC
Mate 3s
10Kw MEP 803a Military gen

Honda EU7000i

Davis VantagePro2 Wx Station
On line at: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KHININOL2
Location: Ninole, Hi

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by sodamo » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:54 pm

I’ve both Mate 3 and Mate3s will like result. As r the wireless portion, years ago just the small apple airport, currently an eero that connects wirelessly to my main system and has 2 eithernet ports.

Raysun, what is you Ubitquiti hardware? Currenl thinking about improving my signal to tractorshed and wireless is only option as can go overhead and reguse to trench the concrete. Poor planning by someone years ago, but then people didn’t have internet in their tractorshed.
David
Please visit http://vacation.ninolehawaii.com

raysun
Forum Emperor
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:57 am
My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
Suniva 330 watt panels (12 - 6 strings of 2 in series)
Hyundai 355 watt panels (6 - 3 strings of 2 in series)
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by raysun » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:53 pm

sodamo wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:54 pm
I’ve both Mate 3 and Mate3s will like result. As r the wireless portion, years ago just the small apple airport, currently an eero that connects wirelessly to my main system and has 2 eithernet ports.

Raysun, what is you Ubitquiti hardware? Currenl thinking about improving my signal to tractorshed and wireless is only option as can go overhead and reguse to trench the concrete. Poor planning by someone years ago, but then people didn’t have internet in their tractorshed.
Ubiquiti makes a range of wireless networking devices that support a variety of connectivity scenarios from WiFi access points, point to point bridging, point to multi-point bridging, etc.

Before I was able to get "legit" internet connectivity, I was using a Ubiquity bridge up on the mountain here to access a friend's place down near the ocean, 20km away.

Now, I'm using a pair of their bridge units to run from my main router to my power shed. Its a bit silly, as the two are separated by 60', but the hassle of laying a cable made it worth it.

This is pretty much what you need: https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-LocoM2- ... B06XH4Z9SK

Nice they figured out to sell 'em in pairs, pre-configured even, for less than buying two units individually.

sodamo
Forum Czar
Posts: 838
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:55 am
My RE system: Totally off grid - Hamakua side, Big Island, Hi

36 Trina 280 & 16 Phono 250 in 48 volt array (fixed) 14080w
Radians GG8048/GS4048 w GSLCs
4 FM 80 charge controllers
Hub 10.3
FNDC w/3 shunts
Mate 3s
OpticsRE - MMKL - Ninole Hi
12 SimpliPhi 3.8
14Kw Kohler 14RESA Propane

Charging Only
2FX3048T
Hub
FNDC. - shared shunt feeds from Radian FNDC
Mate 3s
10Kw MEP 803a Military gen

Honda EU7000i

Davis VantagePro2 Wx Station
On line at: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KHININOL2
Location: Ninole, Hi

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by sodamo » Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:57 pm

Thanks Raysun. A bit familiar with Ubitiquiti It was how my ISP got signal to me, via M5 Nanostation.
Beyond our OB purpose but,
I have a small collection of M2 Picostations, one set up as an AP to get me some signal around my property. Just not enough. Would like to mount an omni directional M5 AP on the house and M5 Nano on tractotshed.
David
Please visit http://vacation.ninolehawaii.com

raysun
Forum Emperor
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:57 am
My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
Suniva 330 watt panels (12 - 6 strings of 2 in series)
Hyundai 355 watt panels (6 - 3 strings of 2 in series)
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by raysun » Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:10 pm

sodamo wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:57 pm
Thanks Raysun. A bit familiar with Ubitiquiti It was how my ISP got signal to me, via M5 Nanostation.
Beyond our OB purpose but,
I have a small collection of M2 Picostations, one set up as an AP to get me some signal around my property. Just not enough. Would like to mount an omni directional M5 AP on the house and M5 Nano on tractotshed.
Right, of course. (You must be a former Aloha Broadband customer.)

Now that I have gigabit fiber, the broadband capacity here makes it sensible to project WiFi to the top of my property too. I'll be digging into my box of Ubiquity gear to flood the place with coverage.

soulpatch
Forum Member
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:06 pm
My RE system: 8 65 watt panels, 8 US215 6v, MX 60 charger, FX3048 inverter and one as yet uninstalled Midnight E Panel due to my ignorance......as of this point.

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by soulpatch » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 pm

Raysom, that is really excellent.

Thank you for that and the link.

Saludos

sodamo
Forum Czar
Posts: 838
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:55 am
My RE system: Totally off grid - Hamakua side, Big Island, Hi

36 Trina 280 & 16 Phono 250 in 48 volt array (fixed) 14080w
Radians GG8048/GS4048 w GSLCs
4 FM 80 charge controllers
Hub 10.3
FNDC w/3 shunts
Mate 3s
OpticsRE - MMKL - Ninole Hi
12 SimpliPhi 3.8
14Kw Kohler 14RESA Propane

Charging Only
2FX3048T
Hub
FNDC. - shared shunt feeds from Radian FNDC
Mate 3s
10Kw MEP 803a Military gen

Honda EU7000i

Davis VantagePro2 Wx Station
On line at: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KHININOL2
Location: Ninole, Hi

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by sodamo » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:30 pm

Nope, Hawaii Broadband preceded Aloha. Currently I use AT&T LTE in a MOFI 4500 modem. I’d be overly spoiled with that bandwidth.
David
Please visit http://vacation.ninolehawaii.com

raysun
Forum Emperor
Posts: 2917
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:57 am
My RE system: Flexpower Two: (2) FXR3048A, (2) FM80, MATE3s, FlexNetDC
SimpliPhi 48-3.8 (6 @ 48v)
Outback IBR3 battery enclosure
Suniva 330 watt panels (12 - 6 strings of 2 in series)
Hyundai 355 watt panels (6 - 3 strings of 2 in series)
Honda EU7000is gas fuel generator

Re: WIfi Adapters

Post by raysun » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:02 pm

soulpatch wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:14 pm
Raysom, that is really excellent.

Thank you for that and the link.

Saludos
The Nanostation LocoM(2 or 5) has a POE adapter that connects to the unit's main Ethernet port, and the downstream LAN segment attaches to the other port on the POE adapter.

I *think* the Mate3 can connect directly to the LAN port on the POE.

To make sure I'm not talking out my backside, I went out and hooked the Mate directly into the POE injector's LAN port. Its working fine. I'll leave it overnight. Check back tomorrow.

UPDATE: Mate3s plugged directly into the Nanostation works without any errors.

Post Reply